A growing trend has been sweeping the internet – the 4B movement, where women are swearing off relationships with men, no dating, no marriage, no children and gasp no sex! Is this the solution to the misogyny issue in the USA?
Resources if you need them:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/14dY4G86P4v7Vy7Q64dNpSV9Is781cqODXpJEUMRlzYE/edit?usp=sharing
Timestamps:
00:00 the situation
04:21 The 4B Movement in South Korea
10:22 The US interest in the 4B movement
16:09 the shortcomings
21:09 What should we focus on?
25:57 Final thoughts
Videos/channels recommended:
@elliotsangestevezhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkpmVPZVgV8&t=237s
@lebab_bob https://www.youtube.com/watch?app=desktop&v=_CoqE8Fv-jI
@LeejaMiller
@leenanorms
Tiktoks in order:
@realityreelclips Lots of women have announced that they are joining the 4B movement, which encourages women to reject traditional roles and relationships with men, due to the results of the US election. #4b #4bmovement #4bmovementusa #news #presidentialelection #womenempowerment #womenssafety #womensupportingwomen
@ukpoliticskingdom Sad day foe them… #news #unitedstates #america #foryoupage #kamalaharris #trump2024
https://www.tiktok.com/@james.citi/video/7437631354206080302?q=trump%20won&t=1731717020337
@adi25327
@massie.paris A sad day in american history #donaldtrump #election #election2024 #americanelection #kamalaharris #disturbing #sad #viral #president #fyp #usa #foryou #usaelection #voting #vote #democrat #republican
@livingwithjesspartyof6 Replying to @cross062993 @bre, and cats this one is for you babe! 💙
@wtfaleisa Replying to @user9720585462941 its my roman empire
@rabbitsandtea Cat lady era activated #4b #4bmovement
@autumnwitbeck
@adisabledicon If all models are able-bodied, how are wheelchair users and disabled people supposed to know how clothes will look on us? #DisabilityRepresentation #k18results #FaahionTikTok #PinkAesthetic #FashionInspo #DisabledModel #LatinaModel #DisabledFashion #Maximalist #MaximalistStyle #DopamineDressing #FashionStyling
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Suffragettes:
https://read.uolpress.co.uk/read/the-politics-of-women-s-suffrage/section/9e572728-9371-44ed-8d42-d1850071167d
Intersectional feminism:
https://www.unwomen.org/en/news/stories/2020/6/explainer-intersectional-feminism-what-it-means-and-why-it-matters
Sources:
https://www.cnbc.com/2024/11/10/trumps-mass-deportation-plan-immigrant-workers-and-economy.html
https://time.com/7174687/what-donald-trump-win-means-for-lgbtq-rights/
https://reproductiverights.org/trump-presidency-2024-threats-reproductive-freedoms/
https://www.guttmacher.org/2024/11/10-reasons-second-trump-presidency-will-decimate-sexual-and-reproductive-health
https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/conservatives-aim-to-restructure-u-s-government-and-replace-it-with-trumps-vision
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/07/30/qalt-j30.html
https://www.glamour.com/story/a-complete-breakdown-of-the-jk-rowling-transgender-comments-controversy
https://www.rollingstone.com/culture/culture-features/4b-korean-women-movement-u-s-1235164807/
https://www.politico.eu/article/europe-young-people-right-wing-voters-far-right-politics-eu-elections-parliament/
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2024/aug/07/gen-z-voters-political-ideology-gender-gap
https://newrepublic.com/post/188105/kamala-harris-donald-trump-young-men-voters
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/dec/01/younger-voters-far-right-europe
https://edition.cnn.com/2024/09/02/europe/afd-germany-election-thuringia-saxony-intl/index.html
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c5ydnqdq38wo
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https://www.teaonews.co.nz/2024/11/14/watch-haka-erupts-in-parliament-before-treaty-principles-bill-passes-first-reading/
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“Your body, my choice:” Hate and harassment towards women spreads online
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The ‘4B’ Movement Has Gone Viral In The U.S. — Here’s Why I’m Skeptical
I'm seeing people misinterpret me and not watching until the end which is saddening. What's worse is I'm seeing people use TERF defense in their comments and you know I am intersectional so if you don't believe that trans people deserve to exist, you won't like my channel. I explicitly stated multiple times how I understand and support people not dating men anymore, for multiple reasons including safety reasons as it's a very real risk with bodily autonomy being taken away, in fact I spoke at length about decentering men and that we need inclusive community and friendships to be there for eachother, as things keep getting darker and we're gonna need to rely on eachother more. I'm encouraging inclusion instead of exclusion with intersectional feminism. My videos for years have unpacked how women especially have been hurt by various systemic issues, the increased violence towards us and encouraged us to work together and be there for the most marginalized, this video is not me shaming anybody for doing what you feel comfortable with in your relationships, it's me encouraging us to decentre men and recentre eachother 🤍
🙅♀this was amazing! thank you so much!🫂
I believe wokeness has alienated men
Thanks for helping us men out! We are now 4D! No Drama, No Disease, No Debt, No Deception.
I'm going to be honest I think I will pass on this video because of how this topic affects my mental health but I still want to support your AMAZING work so I'm commenting for engagement, thank you for talking about all this and everyone take care of yourselves !!
To show their devotion.. the women that followed charles mansion shaved their heads as well.. liberals are part of a disgusting cult
The 4B movement only proves that women are absolutely useless and, apart from sex and their bodies as incubators, they have nothing else to offer. Their entire function in society is to be born, be a body, go on dates, and be an incubator for children. Truly just animals.
The vibrator business is gonna soar.
no emoji, bc I'm at work and don't like that, but made it to the end. great video 🙂
this youtube post shows that it's also significantly more men who get vasectomies now (1200% increase) which I find a good idea and very responsible
http://youtube.com/post/UgkxJKL2Hb9srl10kWavN1FB3wi1WQv4En3m?si=NUoU8o0iMo-h6won
I genuinely feel for the women who are stuck in the US despite voting to try to prevent this. Celibacy for me is easy (I haven't been on a date in 4 years BY CHOICE because men get on my nerves lmao), so I would probably stay celibate out of necessity. The risk is way too high at this point. I specially feel for black women, because statistically they're the ones who voted most for Kamala (along with black men). White women in the US have voted for their own demise.
The video of that white woman crying over being chastised from her family for being pro Trump sends me. What tf do you mean that YOUR GRANDMA is more progressive than you? How tf have you voted for someone who will no doubt make the lives of women more dangerous? Even yours? What if you need an abortion because the fetus isn't viable but it still has a pulse? Nobody's going to practice that abortion on you. What's gonna happen then? Is Trump going to give a fuck about the fact that sepsis IS spreading from your uterus into your system? Do you want to make your children orphans? Literally, what the fuck???
Many women are starting to go celibate and avoid dating men, and I can see the reason why.
We live in a world where women are shamed for having sex, while men get praised for it. The idea that in order for a boy to be a man is to have sex is disgusting and is a good example of toxic masculinity. Ideas like those support rape culture. I'm pretty sure being a virgin isn't worse than being a rapist.
Also, let’s be real, sex for women is a big liability, from pregnancies to infections, to extra expenses to go to the doctor/gyno and meds; and not to mention the emotional and psychological effect that sex has on.
Sex is far riskier for women than it is for men due to the fact that women can get pregnant from it, and because of the fact that Roe v. Wade got overturned, it's understandable why they would rather avoid sexual intercourse than risk dealing with an unwanted pregnancy.
The worst part is that many men are complaining about how hard it is for them to date and have sex and are blaming women for it.
After doing a bit of research I can’t find I single example of Trump saying he’s going to ban abortion, I found an example of him saying that he’d leave it up to the people’s vote though and that it would only be state specific, meaning that it would still be legal in likely most places in the US. So I’m really not sure where this idea that he’s going to ban it came from, other than just misinformation.
What's with the neo-nazi/Manson Cult hair style?
Yeah why don't you move to stop wearing all of that damn make up!! Add that to the list. Where is your real face? so ugly you had to create one.
women finally closing their legs? since when do you guys own a brain?
You need to protest by not wearing all that Clown Makeup!
🙅 ty for addressing the cultural specifics of the 4B movement and how other cultures need to find our own solutions! my favorite thing about your videos is how you are able to so eloquently express ideas that i've been struggling to find the words for.
Read okcupid and match group dating report. Read pew research on male sexlessness.
4B Affects top 5% of men who have resources and roster to go else where.
95% of men unaffected.
Fighting conservatives by becoming conservative. Lol. Can't make this up.
I suggest you get mental help.
It makes sense that those movements exclude anyone who isn't a straight human female. The very issue they protest against mostly affects that clearly defined group. Males can't get pregnant at all and lesbian females have a massively lower risk. So yeah, "Straight females only. No males. No converts." makes sense as a protective rule for such a movement.
Apart from that maybe it's time to go back to having sex with someone else only after committing to a long-term relationship. Humans of both sexes can actually have sex without a partner. So it isn't like the whole casual sex dating stuff is actually needed for mental well-being. Toys and porn exist.
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Quit comparing what happens in Korea to your selfishness. self-centered, greedy, lazy, ass.
It's funny you should say White women have been the most fervent about the western 4B movement because the women I've observed leading the charge on that are women of colour!
Perfect!! Conservatives will outbreed you!!
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Being single is kind of awesome, and I highly recommend it.
One thing as a guy that I do think is valuable, is focus on decentering relationships. Current masculinity is expressed by success in various arenas, as opposed to behavior or presentation.
One of those arenas is relationships.
One way men can enjoy better mental health is quite literally to not need a relationship as a measure of masculinity. Additionally, it will help men be less lonely to get hobbies to achieve those wins in other fields, which may in turn create situations where we can build more organic relationships that can bloom into the very romances people claim they want.
Provided decentering of relationships is done well, it could be a massive boon that counterintuitively could make romance better for everyone involved, due to the quality of men ourselves being improved.
Which, isn't a dig to my brothers, necessarily. However good we are in this moment, is wasted if we don't seek ways to be better. Being desperate and horny in critical numbers is probably a bad vulnerability we should work on.
I'm technically doing the 4B movement, but that's because I'm queer and the cishet stuff doesn't do it for me. Strength to all my sisters genuinely going without, though, it's rough out there, stay safe.
At least this is a self correcting problem.
just because a movement doesn't include every single type of person ever (lesbians, asexuals, het partnered women who don't want to leave their partners) doesn't mean it's invalid or stupid or whatever you're implying 18:25 lol
From the outside looking in, no. At least not as a "protest" it sure as hell will not work. It's going to turn out VERY similar to the MGTOW thing I believe; starting off with good intentions but becoming overfilled with grotesque garbage over time to the point it no longer resembles what it was meant to be originally. If it's meant to be something other than a "protest" to you, then I guess it depends on what you specifically view it as for how well it will turn out.
I don't know, you guys go nuts man. If you want to partake, go crazy. If not, cool. It's your life and you can do what you want with it. As long as you're not actively harming anyone or anything else in the process- which this does not seem to do- you do you.
getting involved in your community is so great, i recently started volunteering and it's helped so much with my depression and feelings of lack of purpose 🫂🙅♀️
the shortcomings part is disappointing: it is a radical movement as said in other comments – for protection/liberation and not to punish men (although some people think of it that way in the US); it is about saying no so OF COURSE it is not about situations in which your no is not respected??? lastly, it is not alienating anyone, it is a movement that people can join or not, it never implied 'stopping' doing something, just not doing it, but more importantly, what is this obsession about 'participating enough'? I also have a leftist boyfriend I am not breaking up with but i am clearly not excluded by the group of women adhering to it, i am excluded by my own choices…. (no hate 🙅🏻♀but i think that even if you don't agree with it you should read more about radical feminism before criticizing it – at 9:04 you say 'they don't believe in gender as a construct' they do believe in it as an oppressive social construct that is assigned based on sex and is not innate – I think it would be cool if you made a video in which you dig deeper into it, it is a fascinating movement and I think you make a disservice to your commentary by falling in these misinformed takes, you can criticize it better than this!) 🫂
I really want to make women friends. I figured maybe I can try here. I love the sound of chore dates and I have been wanting to build my reach in community. If anyone knows some good places to go to make friends I would love that.
Please shave your heads so its easier for the rest of us to see your mental illness. Ty.